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  • Varyk@sh.itjust.worksto196@lemmy.blahaj.zoneLiberal rule
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    1 day ago

    aren’t you tired of being a liberal?

    don’t you want to be a liberal who doesn’t understand the point of politics?

    free your mind from pesky knowledge and political context, all it does is get in the way of forming autocratic groups and exploiting the people around you!












  • “Ok, but realistically…”

    The family is more susceptible than you suspect, as well as being under constant and significant duress.

    I’m not sure why they would stay dual citizens if their entire purpose is to live in a different country permanently, but:

    If, in your situation, the family kept all their money abroad, never reports, uses or transfers a significant amount of that money, waits 40 years, filling falsified us taxes and legitimate South African taxes the entire time, their son also never uses or transfers that money until he begins to launder it through a personal corporation that he has to keep consistent business records for, maintaining fake employees and fake patients false receipts and false invoices, a falsified or real office and equipment that either way he has to pay real rent on, and slowly reintroduces that money back into his “legitimate” accounts, then after half a century and a never-ending amount of effort at maintaining a comprehensive deception while they all continue to fill out their falsified US tax forms and legitimate South African tax forms consistently every year and never using the extranational or laundered money irresponsibly, never make a regular everyday mistake on any tax forms so that the IRS or South Africa performs an audit, and everything else goes right, apparently never live in the US but continue to file US taxes for their entire lives, tax evasion could work for that family and they could “get away with it”.

    is it worth it?

    I don’t think so. I can’t see any upside to that sort of tax evasion.

    “Let’s assume… let’s say…”

    Yes, hypothetical and real situations occur because tax evasion seems much easier than it is, the risk seems lower than it is, the effort seems lower than it is, and the reward seems greater than it usually is.

    that’s why so many people attempt it. that’s why you don’t report selling a desk on Craigslist.

    nobody’s saying that self-reporting is a perfect, foolproof taxation model. it’s a model that does what it’s supposed to. it allows the IRS to function as efficiently and effectively as it currently knows how to.


  • “Does the IRS have authority to issue such requests to foreign banks?”

    issue requests, sure.

    and companies with an international presence or countries with a working relationship with the US would be happy to respond to the IRS at least in rough confirmation.

    4 out of 5 people in the US would never have to worry about making more than $125 k a year, but if you’re reporting $60,000 annual income and then buying a house every year, the IRS would start looking into it.

    irs interest depends on how large the income disparity appears to be before they start officially investigating and probing for more certain corroboration and confirmations.

    it’s just like your taxes in the US.

    If you have a yard sale and don’t report it, the IRS isn’t going to pay attention to the extra $200 you didn’t report that year unless you happened to sell a personal boat later that year for 200k.

    it’s all about what flags the interest of the IRS.

    “How would the IRS even know what foreign bank to issue these requests to?”

    If you have over 10,000 usd abroad in total, all foreign holdings included, you are required to file what is called an fbar that year, which really is I think five fields on one form, you fill out the name of the Bank, address, the country and the amount.

    that’s so the IRS can keep tabs on. approximately how much you’re making versus how much you say you’re making if you’re keeping your savings overseas.

    “…gets tracked on a per-individual basis.”

    No worries, these are all great questions and I’m treating them like a refresher course.

    The IRS is largely dependent on self-reporting whether us citizens or residents are inside or outside of the country, which largely works because maintaining a believable fiction about your income is not easy to consistently pull off and consequences for self-reporting income incorrectly are so much higher than the amount of taxes most people are going to pay that it makes sense to self-report as accurately as you can.







  • oh i see. thanks.

    yea, the 1116 is for people paying formal taxes to the foreign government directly, usually because you’re living there as a permanent resident or operating a business full-time and significantly, have established your permanent tax home in that other country.

    using the 1116, you don’t pay all of the taxes twice, although you still pay some of them twice because the US wants that cash.

    the FEIE, form 2555, means that your tax is still in the US and only requires that you’re not in the US for 330 days out of the year to exempt income tax on up to 125k of income earned while outside of the country.

    the feie does have a residency test as well, but the physical presence qualification of 330 days each year is simpler and requires much less trouble to set up initially (permanent residency, switching tax homes, work permits and all that) to qualify for, so I only deal with the physical presence test.