• In my humble opinion, the stock experience on Gnome sucks. No desktop icons, no dock, no minimize maximize buttons, no app indicators. I only use Gnome because of the changes Ubuntu made to it, which can be replicated on other distros with a script.

• That’s valid. Ubuntu has shipped with wayland by default since some time ago but wasn’t the first one. They don’t seem to adopt the latest technology as fast. Which I like. Even the new LTS still gives you the option to use X.org in GDM.

• Also true. If you don’t like Snaps and aren’t comfortable with more and more packages being replaced by them, Ubuntu isn’t the distro to use. I don’t mind the metapackages installing snaps instead at all honestly. The terminal clearly says it’s installing a snap. And from my experience they work great. I was recently using wsl and needed yt-dlp. I went for the snap right away and it worked great.

In fact the only broken snaps I have encountered so far are OBS and curl (which can’t access root directories, making it useless for the script I needed)

Lmao. As if corporate operating systems were bad. What makes RedHat that much better tho? I want to know. From what I’ve seen they are both bringing a lot of value to the FOSS space.

Fair enough. Tho if you do discover some functional hardware that’s unsupported by W11, know that you don’t have to turn to Linux at all.

Download the Windows 11 ISO and tick an option to mitigate the new requirements in Rufus. That’s all you have to do. Or download the Windows 10 IoT iso from massgrave. Supported until 2030-something.

I should’ve worded that better then. Linux wouldn’t be anywhere when it comes to consumer devices like laptops and desktops. It’s possible that without Canonical someone else would’ve made a just works distro for regular people, but they were the first. As far as I know that is. I haven’t used Linux around 2004.

If you don’t think that both of those things are true of Canonical, go try to install the .deb version of Firefox.

I opened a 24.04 VM just for fun. I cosplayed a regular user who discovered that his snap version of firefox isn’t working well.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux

I copied and pasted the commands from there, to add mozilla’s repo and downloaded firefox from there. Then I went into Ubuntu’s new GUI app store and clicked Uninstall next to Firefox. Super hard stuff. Walled garden with walls so tall I can’t see their end.

By doing what exactly? Snap’s server being proprietary doesn’t affect anyone at all, what else?

That’s not what I said. I didn’t claim that Ubuntu invented the idea of a software store. I just said that they add a lot of value to Debian. So Ubuntu’s existence is perfectly justified. And replicating their setup takes time. Especially how their gnome is set up. i have a script that turns vanilla Gnome on any distro into one that looks like Ubuntu’s, so I know.

Is Linux Mint useless as well? It just preconfigures Debian/Ubuntu to be more user friendly. Anyone can do that on their own.

I think you’re far too gone if you genuinely believe there’s no need for Ubuntu.

Ubuntu has its own kernel, they have a security team making patches specifically for Ubuntu, there’s a tool that detects any drivers your device needs and downloads them for you, and their GNOME implementation is the best I’ve seen. I also like the new software centre in 24.04, displaying both apt and snap packages when you search for them, really fast.

And yes I know, you will tell me that you can replicate all of this on Debian. And you can replicate basically everything Debian can do on RHEL. So there’s no need for Debian. Ans there’s no need for RHEL since…

If there really was no point in using Ubuntu, people wouldn’t use it. And yes this applies to Windows as well. Users aren’t braindead idiots. If there is a much better alternative that suits their needs they will use that instead.

Edit: Also free 10 year support for non-commercial use.

It’s sad because it’s a genuinely good distro. Linux wouldn’t be anywhere without it yet all I hear is people parroting the same misinformation they heard.

False (except for less packages, that’s true), false, the amazon incident was a honest mistake and only applied to the search bar in unity (even more specifically the amazon lense), and no data is being collected unless you enable it during the install. https://youtu.be/rdPt8WB1lZw

Also are you serious? A rolling release distro with automated package builds being more secure? Last time I checked Tumbleweed got affected by the XZ exploit.

I don’t get why anyone uses, my body makes my own chemicals.

I like Snaps. They can do more than Flatpak and when packaged well they just work. Sadly some apps on Snapcraft are abandoned or they just don’t work, but the same can be said about Flathub.

Which bridge did they build with snaps?

Proprietary companies are compelled to release on Snapcraft because it gives them advantages over other packaging methods. I’m just a user but I heard Snaps are easy to work with thanks to the documentation.

In addition to all of that, Canonical also installs applications as snap when using the apt\£* command line tools.

Firefox for example isn’t even in their apt repos. So instead of throwing an error, the Firefox meta package installs the snap, and tells you it’s doing that.

But I understand that Ubuntu isn’t for you if you want to avoid snaps.

I think it’s just elitism. The worst example is Chris Titus making a video where he explains why you shouldn’t use Ubuntu. And then proceeds to make video explaining how it’s not actually that bad and he uses it with a different DE.

But now 300K people saw that Ubuntu bad for stupid reasons, from a “reputable” source.

I was recommended this https://flathub.org/apps/io.github.vikdevelop.SaveDesktop Seems very user friendly and can do everything except for installing software.

The money comes from corporate customers, that’s the sad truth. If you go to RedHat’s website, their Worsktation option is hidden in menus as well. Fedora doesn’t seem to be mentioned at all.

I politely disagree. Finding the Core ISO is harder than the Server/Desktop ones. https://ubuntu.com/download/core

There’s a Build Your Core button. And that takes you to a docs page that lets you download a pre-built image. I think it’s pretty obvious that this is not the Desktop Ubuntu.

Lmao.

Yeah, that sucks. I would still want it if I were to use Fedora, as an option.

I checked and Fedora dropped support for the snap plugin. https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/enable-snap-in-gnome-software/76134

These are also the only packages related to gnome-software:

Related Packages

    gnome-software-devel
    gnome-software-fedora-langpacks
    gnome-software-rpm-ostree

From what I remember, their gnome-software already has flatpak support. So all that will be missing is the GUI snap support. Could’ve been worse.